From Darrel:
Suicide, the taking ones own life, Self murder if you will, one of the Ten commandments speaks against it. And is widely recogized as a sin. All sin is or can be forgiven if you ask God to forgive you and while there is life there is hope. But how can you ask for forgiveness if you're dead. I would not recomend it to any one as a way out of your pain or troubles. It's more complicated than many think. When I preach a funeral of someone who has commited suicide...I do not know their condition, whether they had time to repent or not, so I leave them in the hands of a just God. But I could not assure those left behind that they were better off, because I just don't know. In a situation of mental illness God understands and is just. I personally believe they would be as a child who doesn't know any better and would be saved if they were saved while in their right mind. If they rejected Jesus while they had time and the opportunity then went crazy and killed themselves they would be lost just as someone who rejected Jesus as their personal Saviour and died without Christ.
From Danna:
SUICIDE........
SUCH AN EASY WAY OUT.....
SUCH AN EASY WAY IN......
EASY WAY INTO THE KINDGDOM OF HELL......
ITS A SURE TICKET........ ONE WAY TICKET .......
IT SADDENS MY HEART TO THINK ANYONE WOULD CHOOSE TO SPEND ETERNITY IN HELL
WHEN GOD HAS SUCH A PLAN FOR YOU IF ONLY YOU WOULD OPEN UP YOUR HEART AND
LISTEN.
SEEK AND YE SHALL FIND ....... GOD NEVER SAID IT WOULD BE EASY, BUT PLEASE, I AM BEGGING YOU WITH ALL OF MY HEART TO NEVER GIVE UP...... NEVER GIVE IN AND LET SATAN WIN YOU OVER......... PRAISE GOD IN ALL HIS GLORY AS HE IS WAITING FOR YOU TO SEEK HIM..... HE AWAITS YOU TO REACH OUT....... ITS SO EASY TO ASK HIM INTO YOUR HEART....... THEN "DEVIL BEGONE, GET BEHIND ME DEVIL IN THE PRECIOUS NAME OF JESUS CHRIST, I COMMAND YOU TO BE GONE"....... AND THEN SIGH!!! OH WHAT RELIEF TO KNOW WHAT YOU HAVE DONE AND WHAT JOY YOUR FUTURE NOW HOLDS......... KEEP YOUR CHIN UP BECAUSE GOD HAS SOMETHING SPECIAL FOR YOU TO DO...... BE PATIENT MY FRIEND ........ EMAIL ME EMAIL ME OR ANYONE OF MY FRIENDS AND WE CAN TELL YOU "BEEN THERE, DONE THAT, GOT THE T-SHIRT"!!! LIFE IS WHAT YOU MAKE OF IT........ BURNING IN HELL OR WALKING WITH CHRIST!!! YOU DECIDE!!!
LOVE AND BLESSINGS, DANNA, Just a MOM from Florida!
From Pat:
Dear Gail. I'm sorry I didn't get back to you before. It's just that this is a sorry subject for me. My brother and father each took their lives and my opinion would no doubt be biased in that I know where I want them to be. Both were active in the church. It makes me sad to think that they wouldn't be with my Lord above. I hope they are. Love & blessings, Pat xoxox
From Brenda:
Gail, You know how I feel about it. Nothing you can go through on this earth is as bad as being in hell. You have Jesus to help you through what ever you are going through here. He can't help you in Hell! If you kill yourself then you will go to hell and this is what I believe. You can't ask for forgiveness for a sin you have not done. I can say forgive me Lord I am going to commit adultry. But am I forgiven after I commit adultry or do I need forgiveness then. I never believed Judus went to hell for betraying Jesus. We all do that. I believe he went to hell for killing himself. This is the way I believe! There is some that believe different but who would want to chance it to find out. Would it be worth the chance you could go to hell. I have lived in my car, stealing food to feed my kids. I couldn't even go in my parents house and then they took my kids. You can't go any lower then that but God brought me out of that because He loves me. I raised my kids and living in the streets is like a old memory or dream. If I had killed myself then I would never have known just what He is really all about.
From Prayer Opportunity:
Answer things like...is it a sin? Why?
Yes. It Breaks God's Law, "Thou shall not murder."
Does God forgive the act?
Yes. For those trusting in Christ's complete work on the Cross. He died
for our sins: past, present, future.
Does the person's circumstances make a difference?
Yes. God judges based on the Light each of us has been given
Is there ever justification for it?
There is never justification for sin.
From Anonymous:
Hi Gail,
I am sorry I cannot give you a legitimate answer on suicide or the results thereof. I have had family that committed suicide and I would like to say that God forgives and allows them into Heaven but I don't know. One cousin in particular (I was very close to him) committed suicide and I have consoled myself over the years thinking that maybe he asked for forgiveness in the last minutes but again I don't know. I am sorry that I can't help.
Dear Gail,
You know, I really don't have much on this subject...Praise the Lord I never had to deal with it with any one close to me...I suppose if I did, I would have a lot more input.
I do not believe, however, that everyone who commits suicide is doomed to hell as some do. We can never judge that, only God knows their heart and mind and what caused that final reaction to whatever brought them to that point.
I pray for any family member that has to deal with that in a loved one's life, it must be awfully tough to wonder, "what if?"
I hope your study helps you find the answers you are looking for, and sorry for not replying sooner, I just don't have much experience with the subject, thank God!
God bless, Joanne <><
From Ernie:
Beloved Gail:
First of all I believe that it is a sin because it goes against scripture
and God tells us that He alone is the giver and taker of life.
Does God forgive the act? My personal feeling is that if you are really
saved and then get into a situation where you commit suicide, you are not in your right mind and therefore God will forgive you and will permit you entrance to His Heaven. After all, Jesus died for all of our sins, past, present and future. Even if your last act on this earth is one of sin, I do not believe that will change your ultimate destination.
I believe that the person's circumstances make a difference only
in the fact that at the time of suicide, they are not in their right
mind. Just as someone who is a child or mentally challenged will not be prevented from Heaven, neither will someone who has lost their mind. The evil one can do all he wants but Jesus said "Father, I have lost none of them that You have given me"! That means that each of us who have accepted
Him as our Saviour are secure and sealed and nothing the evil one does can change that if the salvation is real!
I do not believe there ever is justification for suicide; no amount of pain, nothing! Life and death are God's domain and we have no right to play God, with our own lives or with anyone else's life.
I've probably given you a whole lot more than you wanted but I hope it helps. Blessings on you and yours, my Sister-in-Christ!
Love,Ernie, Matthew 20:26-27
"GOD IS GOOD, ALL THE TIME !"
Good morning:
My name is Rev. Kathleen Bailey and I have a ministry of healing. One of the first things I would suggest is that you line up prayer warriors to cover you. Ask two or three for starters to commit to praying for you daily. Then I would suggest that you call 1-800-683-3024 This is the Chales and Frances Hunter Ministry and ask for the book How to heal the sick hand book. There is a portion on suicide there.
I pray for you right now in Jesus name. That this one dear Father would listen to the voice of Your Holy Spirit and the Leading as she steps into this ministry. I pray for a double anointing of the Holy Spirit and that she would be open to Your leading in every area of her life. Give her advise from Your throneroom and bless her endeavors for you as she comes against this spirit of suicide and death. Teach her spiritual warfare as she opens this door. I ask this all In Jesus name amen.
The Bailey's - John and Kathy
Rev. Kathleen Bailey
Serving The Lord Ministries
Gail:
Regarding the paper on suicide that you're writing, the Christian site "Grace To You" has a tape on it. The title is called "Court and Clergy Malpractice" Parts 1 and 2. They are $6 each and may be purchased over the phone with a Visa or Master Card. I don't know if you would be interested or not, but thought I would let you know. Their website is
Contact: Grace To You Customer Service 1-800-55-GRACE
From Lee:
Gail I will try and answer some of your questions regarding suicide. My
grandson commited suicide in 1995. Suicide to me is one of the worlds worst
forms of death. Yes I do believe it is a sin, but look at all the people in
the Bible who commited suicide. I believe that our Lord is a merciful God
and I believe they do go to heaven in a special place. I like to believe
that my grandson is sleeping with the angels. I know you are not supposed to
kill your self, but God does forgive us for our sins. There is never any
justifcation for it. The circumstances does make a difference. I believe they
were all fighting some kind of a battle, some win that battle and some
do not. My grandson had been in and out of rehab. The day he commited
suicide he called the rehab center for help that morning and they told him
that they could not see him till that night. By then it was to late--he shot
himself at 12:40 that afternoon. I believe if they had seen my grandson
maybe he would be alive today. It is so hard on the family, you keep
asking yourself what could I have done to prevent it. We have asked that
question a million times. Bobby was just a wonderful human being and we
love him with all our heart. We just do not understand why it happened like
it did. I know we will never stop crying or shedding tears over the empty
spot he has left in our lifes. Some days it gets real bad, even though it will
soon be 7 years. There is a hurt there that you never get over, you wonder
what their life would be like now, would they be married and have children
of there own, you just wonder about all that. I know I will never have any
great grandchildren by him. I will never stop loving him, he will always be
in my heart, my thoughts and my prayers. And we'll love him forever. I do
not know if this will help any . Love and Prayers, Lee
See His Website



Now I would like to present a writing from Bishop Leslie "Mary" Trombly
in her Words of Inspiration--"What the Bible says about Suicide."
Question: What does the Bible say about suicide?
"Now when Ahithophel saw that his advice was not followed, he saddled a
donkey, and arose and went home to his house, to his city. Then he put
his household in order, and hanged himself, and died; and he was buried
in his father's tomb." 2 Samuel 17:23
Is suicide the unpardonable sin, or does God forgive suicide? These
questions have troubled the hearts of those who struggle with the
temptation to end their lives and those who are left behind when a
friend or family member chooses to take his or her life. As we look at
this most sensitive subject that exposes our most intimate thoughts and
feelings, we realize that the subject of suicide affects those who do
not profess to know Christ as Savior and many believers as well.
Although the word suicide is never used in the Bible, there are several
direct references to people killing themselves, and by definition, that
is suicide. In 1 Kings 16:18, there is reference to Zimri, who reigned
for a few days over Israel and then died in a fire that he started in
his home. He was about to be overthrown and could not cope with defeat.
Abimelech, the son of Jerubbaal, committed assisted suicide (Judges
9:53-54) rather than have it said that he died at the hands of a woman.
Saul fell on his sword after losing a battle against the Philistines.
When his armorbearer saw that Saul had killed himself, he followed in
like manner (1 Samuel 31:4-5; 1 Chronicles 10:4-5). When he stopped
allowing God to direct his life, Samson lost his unbelievable strength
and suffered humiliation at the hands of the Philistines. Unable to
tolerate the ridicule and the reality of his failure, in one final act
of strength, Samson pulled the pillars down on himself and thousands of
his captors (Judges 16:25-30).
The inability to cope with failure. The inability to deal with
relationships. The perceived loss of position or status. The unbearable
pain of humiliation and a meaningless life. These were some of the
reasons given for those who committed suicide during biblical times. A
closer examination of the alarming number of suicides today reveals five
motivating factors: (1) a cause that a person is committed to; (2) a
pact between two or more people; (3) feelings of meaninglessness; (4)
circumstances that overwhelm an individual; and (5) an extended illness
involving intractable or unrelenting pain (note the growing debate
regarding assisted suicide).
No matter what mode of suicide a person chooses, if we were to somehow
explore the thoughts of those who have committed suicide (or are
contemplating it), I believe that we would find one of these five
motivating factors. The death certificate may list drug overdose or
gunshot wound as the cause of death; yet the underlying cause often is
never discovered because of the self-imposed isolation that most people
experience prior to their suicide. We see the result on the coroner's
report, but the true cause can usually be found within the list of these
motivating factors.
Over the last ten to fifteen years, we have watched the results of
suicides stemming from adherence to a cause. This has been portrayed in
grim detail in the media in the suicides carried out in bombings in the
Middle East when a soldier storms a building with a truck laden with
explosives. The murder of hundreds of soldiers was an honorable deed for
the one who killed himself in the truck that slammed into the army
barracks. To die for such a cause is noble for one who considers the
cause life's motivation.
The pictures of Guyana and the hundreds of bodies strewn across the
ground were grim reminders that pacts between individuals can have
tragic consequences. The followers of Jim Jones had a pact, and it
resulted in their mass suicide. A major cause of suicide is the despair
of living without meaning or purpose. In a world overwhelmed with
violence, divorce, homelessness, AIDS, and drug abuse, it is too often
the norm to live life bouncing around without anything to hang on to
that would give meaning and security to an otherwise lonely existence.
In his book Fatal Choice, John Q. Baucom states that of all the suicides
committed by teenagers in 1984, 80 percent had alcohol in their systems:
"Suicide is the second leading cause of death among teenagers. It is
estimated that approximately 6,000 adolescents will take their lives
annually . . . During the past 25 years the teenage rate has tripled.
One report indicates that nearly 12 percent of all school children will
experience serious suicidal ideation at least once." The fact that many
children are finding suicide to be the logical choice underscores the
impact that the pressures of life, even at such an early age, can have.
They live in a world of isolation, rejection, and the perception that no
one cares. Life becomes intolerable, and suicide becomes the "logical"
answer. Depression is a key factor in most suicides.
Circumstances can often be the precipitating factor in suicide. What one
person can deal with, another might find overwhelming. This can
encompass any number of things, such as divorce, the loss of a job, or
financial distress. In one sad incident, the inability to deal with the
death of a friend resulted in the suicide of a well-known professional
football player. The young man lost control of his car while driving
late one evening in Texas. A friend who was in the car died. Overcome
with the reality of what had happened, the young man put a gun to his
head and ended his life. His circumstance motivated his suicide.
The last of the motivating factors in suicide concerns the inability to
cope with a debilitating illness and unrelenting pain. Assisted suicide
has gained national and international attention in the media. Over the
years, the idea of euthanasia has been discussed and debated, but never
have so many sought to enlist the help of medical professionals in
ending their lives. Euthanasia is defined in Webster's II New Riverside
University Dictionary, as "the intentional causing of a painless and
easy death to a patient suffering from an incurable or painful disease."
As people have become more aggressive in their "right" to end the
suffering of terminal illnesses or the ravages of old age, the issue of
assisted suicide has taken on monumental significance among many groups
who wish to see euthanasia become one of the "rights" that all people
possess. News reports are filled with stories of people seeking to end
their lives with the help of a medical professional.
We need to consider the reasons why suicide is wrong and why it is not
the way to avoid painful circumstances. As an act of rebellion, suicide
is a sin against God. These are some of the reasons why suicide is
wrong:
It violates the Ten Commandments.
Nowhere does the Bible condone a person ending life to escape
circumstances.
Life is a gift from God.
Suicide is an expression of self-hatred, and the Bible says we are to
"love our neighbors as ourselves."
Suicide usurps the power that belongs only to God.
A person who commits suicide short-circuits God's will for his or her
life.
It is an expression of lack of faith. Philippians 4:19 states, "My God
shall supply all your need according to His riches in glory by Christ
Jesus."
This applies to financial needs and emotional and physical needs.
Suicide is an act of selfishness.
It hurts the cause of Christ.
With this in mind, we can understand why there are so many questions
concerning whether God forgives the person who commits suicide. After
all, suicide is an act of rebellion against God. Fortunately for all of
us, however, God's grace is without prejudice. Whoever believes will be
saved. Nowhere in the Bible does God compartmentalize sin and reserve
grace only for those who commit "acceptable" sins. There is no such
thing. Does God forgive suicide? Yes, He does. If the person who
committed suicide at some time accepted Jesus' death on the cross as
payment for his sin debt and asked Him into his life, he is forgiven.
Absolute assurance of forgiveness is found in Romans 8:1: "There is
therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus." If a
person has ever taken that step and received Christ as Savior, nothing
can alter the truth that, as children of God, we are forgiven. Even when
we rebel against God, He is faithful to keep His Word. On the other
hand, there is no such assurance for the one who commits suicide and has
never taken that step of faith in Christ, except the assurance of
eternal separation from God.
The fact that God's grace is sufficient and that forgiveness is
available even in the case of suicide should never be taken as
permission to follow through with the temptation to commit suicide.
Suicide is never the right decision. No one enjoys suffering. All of us
sympathize with those who hurt, both physically and emotionally.
However, 2 Corinthians 12:9 is our assurance that in our weakness, God's
grace is sufficient, and that is our hope when life becomes intolerable.
When nothing we try works, God has promised that He is able to sustain
us. If you have struggled with the meaning of life or are experiencing
overwhelming pain (physical or mental) and are considering taking your
life, I urge you to take these steps to get the help you need in your
time of trouble.
Cry out to God. Read Psalm 34 and ask God to renew your mind with
these verses:
"The righteous cry out, and the LORD hears, and delivers them out of
all their troubles. The LORD is near to those who have a broken heart,
and saves such as have a contrite spirit. Many are the afflictions of
the righteous, but the LORD delivers him out of them all. He guards
all his bones; not one of them is broken" (Psalm 34:17-20).
Call someone and ask for help. Don't let pride get in the way. Much of
Satan's power to convince those who feel unloved and hopeless is found
in his ability to keep them isolated and removed from those who can lift
them up.
Ask Jesus Christ to give you new hope and to give your life meaning. His
life indwells you, and His resources are constantly available in your
most desperate moment.
If you are not the one struggling with the issue of suicide but have a
friend or someone in your family who seems to have given up, there are
some things you can do to help that person.
Be able to recognize clues the person may be giving, either consciously
or subconsciously. Look for symptoms such as depression, signs of
hopelessness, lethargy, and so on. Listen for threats and words of
warning, such, "I have nothing to live for." Be aware of whether the
person becomes withdrawn and isolated from others.
Trust your judgment. If you believe there is an imminent threat of
suicide, trust your instincts. Don't let others dissuade you from loving
intervention.
Tell others. Don't worry about breaking a confidence if the person
is obviously contemplating suicide or says he or she has a plan. As soon
as possible, involve the help of others, such as parents, friends,
spouse, teachers, ministers, physicians, anyone in a position to assist
the distressed individual.
Stay with the person. If you believe the person is in danger of carrying
out the plan, do not leave the person alone. Wait with the person until
medical help arrives or the crisis has passed.
Listen. Encourage the person to talk to you. Refrain from giving pat
answers that could further depress the person who is on the verge of
giving up. Listen and empathize with the person.
Urge professional help. Stress the necessity of getting help for
the individual.
Be supportive. Show the person that you care. Do what you can to help
the person feel worthwhile and valuable to you.
Suicide is not the answer to life's pain, whether it be physical,
mental, or emotional. Christ is the answer and in Him alone will we find
healing from the problems that ultimately cause a person to end life
before God has chosen to do so.
"Do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who
is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own? For you
were bought at a price; therefore glorify God in your body."
1 Corinthians 6:19-20
In Christ's Name
Mary
Bishop Leslie "Mary" Trombly
Ref: Permission from Bishop Mary quoted:"Dear Elder Gail;
[I do not mind] at all... Just make sure that you include a note that some of it's exerpts are from Charles Stanley. Suicide is climbing everyday and if you are observant enough at the time draws closer to the Rapture, Tribulation and The Second Coming of Christ, You will see an enormous increase of suicide that will be committed out of total fear because they do not have Christ in their lives. Sad, but true.
Bishop Mary